closetpuritan ([info]closetpuritan) wrote,
@ 2008-06-28 19:55:00
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"I Believe" that Bobby Harrell doesn't know what he's talking about
I'm a day late and a dollar short (okay, 9 days late), but I didn't want to let this news item pass without comment:

"COLUMBIA, S.C. - A group that advocates separation of church and state filed a federal lawsuit Thursday to prevent South Carolina from becoming the first state to create "I Believe" license plates.

"The group contends that South Carolina's government is endorsing Christianity by allowing the plates, which would include a cross superimposed on a stained glass window.

"Washington-based Americans United for Separation of Church and State filed the lawsuit on behalf of two Christian pastors, a humanist pastor and a rabbi in South Carolina, along with the Hindu American Foundation...

"The bill sailed through the Legislature with little discussion earlier this year. Gov. Mark Sanford let it become law without his signature because the state already allows private groups to create license plates for any cause.

"Republican House Speaker Bobby Harrell said residents asked for a way to express their beliefs, and legislators responded.

"He disputed Lynn's accusation that they were pandering to constituents in an election year.

"'That's what critics always say when they see something they don't like,' Harrell said. "I think this has less to do with the First Amendment and more to do with their disdain for religion generally.'"

Either Bobby Harrell will say anything in order to energize his base, or he's assuming that the lawsuit is being brought by people who "disdain religion" (despite the fact that Christian pastors were among the plaintiffs) because he cannot imagine any reason why anyone would want to oppose a way for people to label themselves based on religion, unless they "disdain religion". I also note that he said "disdain" rather than "dislike", so that he could insinuate that, in addition to opposing the plates because they don't like religion, these people must be elitists who look down on the religious, as well.

"Lynn said his group would not have opposed the "I Believe" plates had they been advocated by private groups. State law allows private groups to create specialty plates as long as they first collect either a $4,000 deposit or 400 prepaid orders.

"Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer said last week that he is willing to put up the money, then get reimbursed, though the Department of Motor Vehicles spokeswoman said that isn't necessary. Bauer said the idea came from Florida, where a proposal for an "I Believe" tag failed.

"He called it a freedom-of-speech issue.

"But a Methodist pastor who joined the lawsuit, the retired Rev. Thomas Summers of Columbia, said the plate provokes discrimination.

"'I think this license plate really is divisive and creates the type of religious discord I've devoted my life to healing,' he said.

"Another of the ministers, the Rev. Robert Knight of Charleston, said the plates cheapen the Christian message.

"'As an evangelical Christian, I don't think civil religion enhances the Christian religion. It compromises it,' Knight said. 'That's the fundamental irony. It's very shallow from a Christian standpoint.'"

Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to be very shallow about religion. And they seem to believe that if they display their religion enough, they can intimidate everyone else into believing that they don't have the right to be just as annoying about their beliefs. (I think that Richard Dawkins is trying to prove that this is not the case.)




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[info]sailor_charon
2008-06-30 11:07 am UTC (link)
I'm glad to hear Florida trashed theirs. The real question is, how would Bobby Harrell feel about a plate that said "Christian Mythology" or any number of offensive things I can think of (maybe two men kissing with the word love). I suppose if he would vote for those he's being principled... Since he wouldn't vote for those...

Christianity is an interesting case of a religion (part of the reason it's done so well for itself). It's based largely on the concept of sharing the word of the lord. It gets to the point when people have this mentality of "when I try to bully people into my faith, I'm really helping them". There's also this strange (but not so strange) belief held by many christians that the evidence of god (like miracles. or positive correlation prayer-healing studies) is 'hidden' by a small few who hate religion. It makes sense that the believe something like that because it helps explain the lack of evidence (oh, it's there, there's just a conspiracy to hide it).

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[info]sailor_titan
2008-06-30 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Another great news article. Keep 'em coming, sis!

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[info]sailor_charon
2008-07-01 02:03 pm UTC (link)
And just to ruin your day... http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

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[info]closetpuritan
2008-07-03 02:45 am UTC (link)
...Why...?!
...Dammit!!!

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(Anonymous)
2008-07-02 12:45 pm UTC (link)
This is the opposite of freedom of speech! Forcing you to put "I believe" on your car, no matter who you are/what religion you do/don't have. Note that it does say "I". Even without a religious connotation, it would be wrong. How about "I suck" or "I like the president" or "my thinking will never evolve".

DDddd

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[info]closetpuritan
2008-07-03 02:28 am UTC (link)
Actually, from what I understand it doesn't force you to put "I believe" on your car. They still have the main license plate as their "standard" state license plate. You have to choose/request which license plate to get, much like how you can get conservation plates in other states/provinces. (For conservation plates, you normally have to pay extra, and some or all of the extra money goes to the state's conservation/wildlife program.) It sounds like in South Carolina, groups of individuals can create a license plate for any group they want if they organize and pay a fee. But this is a state-created, state-sponsored religious version of the license plate. And I think that it is at best rude, tacky, and divisive to be traveling around with a label saying what religion you are. (There is the potential for more serious problems as well, of course.) Why should any government sponsor this sort of thing?

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